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Black Thursday Night

To All the employees and people who petition for Black Thursday Night (BTN) to be moved back:

Congrats on getting together and signing a petition.  This is America and I love to see people come together and voice their opinions.  I have an opinion of your petition.  I think anyone who does not want to work Black Thursday Night should be able to take that night off.  As long as you take all the other nights off as well.  Feel free to self-fire yourself.  This way you will have all the time you want to spend with your family on ALL the holidays.  Halloween, Easter, Christmas and of course St. Patrick's day.  Wouldn't want you to miss the family egg hunt and trick or treating with the kiddos.




Many retailers have said that they basically break even the entire year until they get the rush of people on Black Friday to finally make a profit for the year.  Without a doubt, it is their busiest day of the year.  If you chose to work in retail sales, you should EXPECT to work on holidays and weekends.  No questions asked.  You should be helping the customer and work when it is convenient for them to shop.  I don't know about you, but all that turkey makes me sleepy and I would like to shop early and get a great night sleep.  I like my sleep and my sales.  It's MY holiday tradition.  

I buy lots of things.  ONLINE.  Cool stuff, like toys, electronics, and even crock pots.  Here's a news flash, in-store sales are losing their battle with online sales.  There are deals for Black Friday, Black Thursday, and Super sales through the entire month of November.  They are open 24/7.  They don't close, they have people working around the clock to help their customers fulfill what they need.  They don't care what time the sale comes in, they are working around the clock to make it happen.  Ask Amazon what their shift looks like during the Holiday sales seasons.   

I have been out on Black Friday.  Do I love the crowds? NO.  Do I like waiting in long lines?  NO.  Do I like hoping they still have inventory when I get up to the item I want?  NO.  Why do I go out on BTN?  It's the deals.  Deals, deals and more deals.  There's something in the air.  Nothing like getting a $300 Xbox Kinetic bundle for $150.  What I like is the idea that retailers finally understand that they should give really great deals for their customers so they will come out on a holiday, and brave the crowds and spend their hard earned money.  The in-store Black Friday sales are basically what gets me and lots of other shoppers excited about going into and buying from physical stores again. 

If you choose to come to work on BTN or Black Friday, you'd better be pleasant.  If you can't have a smile on your face, and a jig in your step, please don't show up.  No one wants to fight the crazy zombie filled crowds and also deal with a dickish employee who blames the world that they had to miss the end of "A Christmas Story" with their family.  I didn't force you to work in retail, if you don't value your job and have no desire to help your customers, you should just stay home.  I can buy my crap somewhere else, like online.

Before you hate me because I don't support your cause.  Let me explain myself.  I am a REALTOR.  I work when I can and when it is convenient for my clients.  I have worked both THANKSGIVING and CHRISTMAS DAY.  I have worked at night and most weekends.  If I am lucky enough to have clients who want to see homes, I always take them out when they are available.  It is something called customer service, maybe you've heard of it?


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28 comments:

  1. Not everyone works a job they like/want to. I hate waiting tables, but it pays the bills, and in the small town I live in, I can't use my college degree to make money. Do you really think the people who work retail want to? Some probably do, but most have no other choice.

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    1. Ok, I understand where you're coming from. My question is, aren't the people that don't want to work retail but do so that they are able to pay the bills grateful that they have a job? Isn't part of their job customer service, to make the customer want to come back to that store so that said employee can continue to have a job so that they can pay their bills??? Not every job is going to be perfect all the time, in face, I don't know of a single job that is perfect all the time. If you choose to work retail for WHATEVER reason, you know what you are getting into. Sure, it sucks, but quit moaning and groaning about it and be grateful you have a job and can pay your bills!

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  2. OMG THANK YOU! I and other family members worked retail in high school thru our early twenties-and we knew the score. Nights,weekends, holidays. Period. We either had to adjust the time of our gatherings, or else one or more of us missed the dinner, but looked forward to leftovers with the fam when we got home. Working like this at that age teaches you what it means to sacrifice and be responsible! Work is not all about fun, or else it would not be work. We liked working those crazy Black Fridays cause the shift went super fast, and contrary to the news reports, most shoppers are out in family groups and are having lots of fun. Not to mention our managers usually supplied good food, and we brought stuff in to share as well. I wish all these complainers would get over it. It has been this way for years. Even if you had to take the job due to economic hardship, you know what kind of hours retail work means. Plan around it! My hubs is a nurse and he misses multiple holidays a year, so we are still dealing with it. GOD! Feels good to get this rant off my chest. Talk about a throat punch!

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    1. Black Friday is one thing. It's been a tradition since time out of mind. People need to accept that.

      However, Black Thursday Night is brand new. All it does is ruin Thanksgiving (A holiday where most places traditionally, retail or not, have closed so that employees can spend time with their family) for those that rarely get a day off when EVERYONE ELSE DOES.

      These employees aren't all high school students anymore. Many of these people have children and spouses. Many are mothers who would have been up since 6am cooking Thursday morning.

      It is not fair to continually push back their holiday just because they work in customer service. They are human beings who work extremely hard for the little bit of money they DO get. The entitled attitudes of people who REALLY think it's a privelage to serve them is sickening. And the funny thing is that many of them claim to KNOW because they've done it.

      "Well, when I was 17-22 and I was working for pocket money because my Mom and Dad still paid all of my bills, I worked Black Friday and LIKED it!"

      Clearly you don't know what it's like to have a degree and be forced to work at Walmart because your kids are hungry, and there is nothing else in your area.

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    2. Actually, I do know what it is like to be "forced" to work at Wal Mart, as that is where I worked, and additionally, when I worked that job in high school, I was the only one in my family who was gainfully employed and I supported my toddler brother and parents as well with that paycheck. I was IN NO WAY working for pocket money while mommy and daddy paid my bills. Don't paint with such broad brush strokes. And there has been Black Thursday for a long time, I remember going to K Mart and Garden Ridge years ago to shop. And I am sure others, like myself, go out on those days to purchase because that's how we can afford to give our kids a decent Christmas. Oh, and also, I never got the benefit of going to college, so no, I don't know what it's like to have a degree. But I DO know what it's like to bust your ass to get to where you want to be in life.

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  3. Wow Hubs. That is about as insensitive as you can get. Maybe the CEOs who are marketing these sales earlier and earlier every year should have to miss the Christmas Story with THEIR family while they capitalize on the GREED of consumers.

    Oh wait. That's not going to happen.

    Why? Because they have people struggling to support their family on $8.00 an hour because the economy SUCKS to do it FOR them. So that people like you can think they owe YOU half of their holiday due to their "choices," and the fact that you want to save a buck BEFORE Black Friday. Only insignificant, struggling POOR people who barely make enough money to buy their OWN kids Christmas should have to suffer.

    OH! And you want them to do it with a SMILE on their face just for you too!

    I hope your wife punches you in the throat for this one, buddy.

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    1. Sorry you feel that way. Maybe you don't understand how it works. If the stores don't get lots of people to shop on Black Friday, they lose money and they close their doors.

      Maybe the employees should be grateful to have a job. Lots of people would LOVE to get that job. Everyone can make their own choices. Don't chose to work retail if you don't actually want to WORK.

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    2. You are missing the point! We are not talking about Black FRIDAY. It's the opening ON Thanksgiving that is pissing us off.

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    3. Oh. I do understand how it works. Maybe it is you who does not.

      I am not referring to Black Friday. That is tradition. I am talking about this new crap. Black Thursday Night.

      And yes. These people should be so grateful. Not.

      Maybe you should walk a mile in their shoes, smiling at people who think you should be grateful for the privelage. Like you. Who have so clearly never been in their position, yet feel so full of yourself that you can broadcast judgment about how THEY should feel, think, and whether or not they want to work (as if it's a choice for everyone) on the internet.

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  4. What about the message of GREED these companies are spewing forth? These giant companies are not going to go under because they didn't open up Thanksgiving night instead of on Black Friday. Give me a break! Yes people who work in retail know they will most likely have to give up their holiday's for the almighty dollar. Does that make it RIGHT for the companies to expect this though? This post is just one of the things wrong with how Americans thinks these days. Family IS what is important not a new friggen xbox for the already spoiled kid it's going to. Isn't Thanksgiving about being THANKFUL for what we ALREADY have? And I don't mean just material things. It's about being thankful for family, friends, health etc. So why are people is such a rush to cut these precious times short for a new ipod, big screen tv, or video gaming system. What a screwed up bunch a people we have become!

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  5. I have no problem with Black Friday. I think they offer some pretty decent deals. The crowds suck ass but if you want to go out you suck it up and go. You work retail you should be there with a smile on your face.

    My problem comes with Black Thursday Night as Thanksgiving is becoming known as. Thanksgiving is a national holiday, not a religious holiday. You don't get mail on Thanksgiving, banks are closed and so are all other government offices. No school, etc.

    My point is that these companies are forcing their employees, under threat of firing, to work...at 9pm or earlier. While there are some jobs that don't quit for holidays (police, fire, doctors, etc.) retail is not one of them.

    These retail giants (and non-giants) are taking the meaning of the holiday and throwing it out the window. It's not Black Thursday Night. It's Thanksgiving Night. A time when, especially with the economy the way it is, EVERYONE should be with their families and counting their blessings not their cash drawers.

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  6. As a former retail worker, and someone who enjoys shopping on black FRIDAY, this Thursday shit is wrong. You aren't just screwing with your employees who have ALWAYS had Thanksgiving off, but you are screwing with your customers who might like to actually, oh I don't know ENJOY their holiday instead of having to cut it short to rush out and get the deals at 8pm on Thursday. Logically you would have to get in line at 6 or 7pm AT THE LATEST to even have a chance to get deals. I think "black Thursday" is bullshit, it is greedy and wrong. FRIDAY is the tradition, not Thursday. The amount of corporate greed is disgusting to me.

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  7. I wonder if that pregnant Security guard in NJ had a smile on her face before she was trampled? The whole Black Thursday/Friday is out of control! If you want those who work in retail to LIKE the fact that they have to work ON a holiday without a choice then they should be given some security that their life is not in danger. I don't know where you live but I have lived many places and consumers can be NASTY!!! This is materialism at its worst!

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    1. my details of the black friday story were not 100% correct...this is more accurate and disturbing if you ask me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wsa4BYcwII0

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    2. i'm not sure that you can use people being dicks about rushing in and trampling each other and fighting as a reason to hate black friday/black thursday night. they're good reasons for hating people, though. i had a gunman loose next to my office last year. shouldn't my job guarantee that MY life won't be in danger? people suck. that is all.

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  8. Back to add:

    Obviously there are people who do not understand what position I keep referring to.

    So I will explain.

    • In my area, you are lucky to make $9.00/hr after YEARS at the same store.
    • Retailers deliberately keep you under 35 hours a week so you won't qualify for their insurance plan if they have one. Since Obama Care, this may change to under 30 hrs per week. And thise are non management employees with seniority. Others generally get less. So we will stick with the 30 hr/wk average.
    • 9*30=270. Minus taxes. You might bring home $220 a week. That's $880. Which is more than I made personally after 15 years in this area. The most I have ever made was $8.25. We'll stick with $9 though even though it's $1.50 more than the minimum wage these places keep people at for several years.
    • Rent on average is around $600 plus utilities for a mediocre 1 bedroom apartment in my area.
    • $880/month is too much to qualify for assistance in my county (I don't know about other counties) even with a child.

    You do the math. How do these people survive you ask? They work SEVERAL of these jobs. And they should be GRATEFUL?? Because YOU want them to SMILE at you on THANKSGIVING??

    OH! And the CHOICE they have to work in this industry?? I worked two jobs like this while going to school AND raising my family so that I could STOP living like this. It took me several tries. I was not able to finish single because of the NUMBER of jobs I had to work to support myself and my daughter. I had no time left for school work.

    I met my husband, and was able to get by with two part time jobs long enough for me to graduate with a 3.9GPA because there was finally a second income to soften the blow.

    And It took 9 MONTHS to find an entry level office job that wasn't even in my field because other than school, I had only worked with the public. Therefore, NOT qualified for an office job that pays well. The prejudice is REDICULOUS!!

    I was reminded that I am not a blue collar worker for the first YEAR at my current job, and they treated me like a dirty stray that they had taken in and "given a chance to" as they guilted me into unloiading semi trucks and cleaning the bathrooms so they didn't have to pay a cleaning service anymore. Becasue I should be grateful I was given a CHANCE. As if the education I had busted my rear end for was nothing. I was a waitress. They called me the waitress.

    Don't tell me this is a choice. It's not. Not for a lot of people, it's not.

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  9. As a previously single mother, I worked in the service industry for years. I hated it. I went to school and am currently working on my third degree. It IS about choice. People have all sorts of choices to make, and if people didn't make the best ones, I don't feel I am obligated to feel sorry for them. I am tired of hearing how people are screwed in the service industry. If you can't find a job in a "small area", then move. Or change your goals. It has taken me 13 years to be where I am now. I have disposable income. If I want to spend my money on my child for Christmas, I don't give two hoots about corporate greed. It's my own greed and I have earned it. I don't go to Black Fridays as I hate most humans and the thought of being packed in a store fighting with Earl over a toaster oven makes me ill. But if you work retial, get over it or work elsewhere. Geeze.

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    1. You sound like a real peach. I think everyone else is pretty damn happy you decide to stay in.

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  10. I'm pretty sure most, if not all, retail job descriptions say youn could be working, "evenings, weekends, and HOLIDAYS." Yes, it sucks, but when you apply for a job with those terms, you really shouldn't complain if you have to work on a holiday. Been there, done that, so I did what I jad to to get a 9-5, M-F job. It is a choice. If you don't like retail, there are other jobs you can get without a degree - fast food, collections, gas station....

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  11. The early Black Thursday id B.S.!!! It not only takes employees away from the traditional family turkey but also the consumers. My area they are starting at 6pm and handing out electronic tickets starting 2 hours before that. so that means if I want the deal I have to leave my family and friends to go stand in line before dinner is served. Your kind of thinking is what is causing the demise of a respectful society. And as for you working your Christmas and Thanksgiving being a realtor. I would have to call the bull flag on that one also!! I don't know to many people who want to leave their families to go hang with you!

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  12. Jesus, I thought your wife was the one in your house who wears the bitches.

    That someone who so clearly enjoys upper middle class suburban privilege could shit all over people making less in a month than he makes in one deal is astonishing to me.

    I submitted this post to www.whitewhine.com. "That fucking Target employee didn't even have the decency to SMILE at me when I trampled her to get to the last xbox!"

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  13. I'm surprised at the "whah whah, we have to work and not spend Thanksgiving with our families." Seriously, some businesses might close if they don't observe BTN. I'm certain that's the reason for starting it in the first place. People aren't spending like they used to so stores need to come up with solutions to get people in their stores and spending money.

    My husband works in an industry that doesn't observe a 9-5 work day so we spend family time when we can. It's not the DAY that is important, it's the time we DO get to spend together that matters. I'm happy his company hasn't laid anyone off (although his bonus is considerably smaller each year) and he still has his job. You will never hear me complain if he has to work a holiday or a 12 p.m. to 10 p.m. shift or doesn't get weekends off. We (our 2 kids and I) are forever grateful that he has a job and it allows me to continue be a full-time wife and mother.

    So everyone just needs to put on their big girl britches (or "big boy" as the case may be) and STFU. And if you're a waiter and you hate your job and you act like a total dick to me because you'd rather be doing something else with your degree, you're not getting a tip. It's that simple.

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  14. Gotta love a guy who says that retail workers BETTER come to work on Thanksgiving evening smiling and giving great customer service and then says that hey does his shopping online! And then talks about how heroic he is for being a realtor for god's sake, who has shown houses on Thanksgiving and Christmas! You don't see the difference is that as a realtor you can MAKE THE CHOICE to work those holidays, no one forced you to, like these retail workers are being forced to work. I admire people who work jobs such as retail, nurse, fireman, policeman, etc. and have to work holidays and be away from their families. Greedy companies that keep coming up with ridiculous things like "Black Friday" in order to drag stupid greedy people into their stores are the dicks in this. I used to think you were funny, now I realize you are just a self righteous ass.

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    1. Yes, I am a self righteous ass. I work for a living. I don't get paid to whine about working. I actually work for my money. I don't get a salary, I don't get to take time off. I make NO money unless I sell homes. You are right, I CHOOSE to work when I can and I am grateful when I have that chance.

      If you can't be grateful and do your JOB when others are unemployed, you don't deserve a job. Make your choices like me. Work or don't. But don't complain when you signed up to work RETAIL. There are lots of other jobs that you can work. People who whine about working Holidays are people who don't deserve a job. America was not built by people who whine. It was built by people who work no matter what and fight to build a better life. If that means working on a Holiday...so be it. Ask any small business owner how many hours they put in and how many Holidays they have worked. If you don't want someone else to tell you when to work, feel free to start your own company.

      Quit your whining. No one put you in this position except yourself.

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  15. Amen!! I actually talked a Target employee yesterday about working on Thanksgiving. She is young and single and VOLUNTEERED to work an overnight shift. She said they are receiving over-time pay plus holiday bonus pay plus an extra $1/hour for working on Thursday and Friday. She is working from 8:30 Thursday night until 6:30 Friday morning and said she would MUCH rather open in Thursday night than have to open at the ass-crack of dawn on Friday morning.

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